睇嚟喱啲就係某位惡名昭彰嘅DM口中所講嘅「改進」。
話說,今日好奇地打開一個封存已久嘅群組,發現到某位以邏輯聞名嘅DM,同PL們討論緊有關「觀言察色」(PHB原文為"Wisdom(insight)",亦譯為察言觀色、洞悉等)嘅事,討論重點大致如下:
1. DM認為應該「在特定場合禁止觀言察色」471Please respect copyright.PENANAwnFNN13OaQ
2. DM希望在NPC沒有說謊時,禁止PL insight。
針對第2點,其實PL們都已經提出重點─只要DM禁止insight,一定係代表講真話(筆者:究竟係幾冇邏輯嘅DM先會諗得出),變相直接成功;「禁止觀言察色」一事最後亦以「暗骰」嘅提議解決(其實有睇下PHB,知道咩叫passive check,咩叫Deception,咩叫Insight,根本連討論都唔駛)。最大問題係:DM本人認為Insight等於「讀心神探」上身,Scan下對方有冇講大話。
事實上,如果DM有睇下PHB原文,佢應該唔難發現以下文字:471Please respect copyright.PENANAUAeqEWqEmX
「From the Basic Rules: Your Wisdom (Insight) check decides whether you can determine the true intentions of a creature, such as when searching out a lie or predicting someone’s next move.471Please respect copyright.PENANAVOkuRd60Th
Doing so involves gleaning clues from body language, speech habits, and changes in mannerisms.」
不過,根據以上討論內容以及我對該DM嘅了解,「睇書」應該唔喺佢「改進」嘅To-do list 之中。於是,我多口講咗幾句:471Please respect copyright.PENANAIEFgB1OUc5
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「邊個話insight 一定要用肉眼睇?」471Please respect copyright.PENANAWBkRugQK9t
「From the Basic Rules:471Please respect copyright.PENANAdXMjE8TTaX
Your Wisdom (Insight) check decides whether you can determine the true intentions of a creature, such as when searching out a lie or predicting someone’s next move.471Please respect copyright.PENANAYJxIePDr07
Doing so involves gleaning clues from body language, speech habits, and changes in mannerisms.」471Please respect copyright.PENANA2IsJcReO72
「insight 喱個行動從來冇講過要眼甘甘望住人,甚至亦唔駛刻意做任何動作。471Please respect copyright.PENANAMxISUQSbT6
根據規則書,佢更多係指接收信息果一刻,reciever 能唔能夠用佢既感知能力,去判斷對方(包括聆聽當下留唔留意到對方神色/聽唔聽到對方語氣變化等等)有冇端偽。」471Please respect copyright.PENANA0c4dqA8HFS
「其實好多野唔係你覺得係就係,介唔介意睇下本規則書,尊重下個遊戲?」471Please respect copyright.PENANAkQiG7R8Kk0
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也許語氣激咗少少,但見證過佢「唔擲先攻用Dex直接計」、「提議術士用Con施法」等嚴重錯判+曲解系統嘅往績,加上眼見佢嘅PL大部份都被佢嘅「教學」喺DND嘅體驗上走得越來越遠,我真係睇唔過眼。
結果,得出嘅回覆如下圖所示。
按照佢嘅邏輯,如果訓導主任唔取消學生個缺點,學生唔駛考慮守校規;法官唔取消罪犯個案底,罪犯唔應該遵守法律;另一半唔會接受我,我唔需要聽佢講改善自己儀表......果然,有啲嘢「只存在於主持人的名字」。
無論如何,如果個DM係一個連規則書都未睇熟(亦冇打算睇熟),劇本左抄右抄,對自己不利就劇情殺,唔識判就亂改系統,同佢意見唔同就tag人出嚟公審嘅人,我真係冇打算浪費時間去跑佢嘅團。
至於點解我要特登寫喱大段嘢出嚟,單純係因為憤怒─唔係因為當初果一百幾十,只係出於眼見有好多本來有心參與 DND喱個遊戲嘅新手玩家,因為喱個「致敬」咗納尼亞傳奇、漫威宇宙、多啦A夢、屍殺列車、我和殭屍有個約會等經典大作嘅「賈思潘王子魔法冒險」,對DND以至係TRPG本身產生誤解,甚至徹底失去興趣。
利申:唔後悔人生第一場面團喺佢度跑,但我更加唔後悔徹底放棄喺佢度跑團。471Please respect copyright.PENANAvZOs529dlt
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事後諗返,我其實可以再講清楚少少:471Please respect copyright.PENANAQ3AS1eEJeR
據我嘅理解,Wisdom(insight)嘅判定,應該為:訊息接收者喺接收訊息(包括但不限於:說話內容、表情、語氣、肢體動作)後,再判斷訊息內容中嘅蛛絲馬跡;而並非「仔細地留意並收集視覺、語言及文字等資料」。因此,如果要「禁止insight」,除非有以下情況:
1.接收訊息時出現失真,如無法看見表情,聽見語氣等(但理應唔會出部出現,所以頂盡係劣勢/好高DC/對方欺瞞優勢,點都唔會完全Ban到)。471Please respect copyright.PENANArlj1Y2J8Ze
2.訊息發出後,PL完全沒有機會/時間運用大腦思考(除左失憶/腦死亡/真係死亡,我諗唔到有咩情況)。
Anyway,如果真係有心想做DM,請有返少少自覺;如果你只係想搵班人,睇住你英明神武地操控住班NPC,不斷地搬龍門去掌控一切,填補自己內心嘅空虛,Fine,當我冇講過。471Please respect copyright.PENANAOAt9puCab9
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延伸閱讀:471Please respect copyright.PENANAqh4wqJ7Fvq
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