An in-depth look at Senju Tobirama.
I’m going to begin this post by saying this: how’s this poster not blocked? So after hounding me over this post and not providing a single scan to back up the claims, the poster that goes by the name @dinainparadise decided to badger @blue-analytic over her canon-backed stance on Tobirama. This post popped up on my dash, and I’m sure @lavenderchedder is aware of what went down.
These are her arguments, and, believe you me, all of them are either misinterpretations or complete fabrications of canon. These are the arguments you’d almost always see from the likes of anti-Uchiha (who’re always anti-Sasuke; in fact, they’re anti-Uchiha because they’re anti-Sasuke) and pro-genocide posters. I’d debunk all of the key points and implore people to straight up block this poster (@dinainparadise) and move on. At this point, this pettiness is unacceptable. And while I’m at it, consider this a master-post on Tobirama and his segregationist, racist, and bigoted fascistic policies, as well.
I forgot to add another minor argument: if Tobirama is right about the “Curse of Hatred” because he’s a scientist, then why’s Orochimaru wrong when his experience with the Sharingan and knowledge on Tobirama’s own Jutsus far exceeds anything Tobirama has ever done?
We know for a fact that Izanagi’s time was extended via Orochimaru’s experimentation, and he’s the one who created the whole arm for Danzo:
We also know that he’s the one who created clones, as well:
Then we have Sasuke’s own disgust at Orochimaru’s experimentation on the human bodies to learn the secrets of immortality (that’s how he invented his Immortality Jutsu, you know):
We also know that he’s the only one to reverse the Reaper Seal:
This shows that Orochimaru’s anthropological research on clans far exceeds Tobirama’s, as well; otherwise, Tobirama would’ve left his research scrolls on the Uzumaki Fuinjutsu behind, but he didn’t. Heck, Orochimaru was skilled enough to completely manipulate and close off Naruto’s Kurama-seal with relative ease, too.
He was using Tobirama’s Edo Tensai so casually that Tobirama was taken aback by it:
In fact, he perfected Tobirama’s own Jutsu to the point that Tobirama himself couldn’t overcome it:
So let me get this straight, Orochimaru who’s got intimate knowledge of the Sharingan, genetics, and bodies to the point that he’s even able to create artificial versions of Uchihas doesn’t have anything to state on the Curse of Hatred, but Tobirama who only began to name the curse after the village was formed and has very little experience in Sharingan experimentation is right? Why? How and why do Tobirama’s opinions outweigh Orochimaru’s, a man who’s managed to even create Sharingans? He’s also calling Tobirama out on his policies. On a purely pragmatic level, Orochimaru doesn’t care about the village or the Uchiha, so his opinion is the most objective out of everyone. Then why isn’t more value placed on his opinion compared to Tobirama’s despite the scientific knowledge of the Sharingan under his belt? I mean, is there any scientist in the manga who backed up Tobirama’s hypothesis? If the only other (and a far more capable) scientist, Orochimaru, is not only speaking out against Tobirama’s hypothesis but also calling him out, shouldn’t that raise a red flag as the only person to back Tobirama’s theories is Tobirama himself? That itself should work against him, but Naruto fandom simply adores any scrap of material they can get their hands on, with which they can malign Sasuke. It’s pretty cartoonish, if you ask me.
Then we have these scans in which Tobirama equates love to hate (what is this, high-school dorm-room philosophy?) and Hashirama states that Madara loved Izuna a lot:
(It’s curious that in Tobirama’s view evil equates any sort of vengeance against Konoha!)
He’s also saying that it’s for the best if a group of people is butchered for the sake of the village. No one finds anything wrong with this brand of fascism? I don’t understand. The Uchiha are evil for being dissidents, but Tobirama is righteous for inventing a policy in which even genocide is A-Okay for the preservation of status quo? Isn’t this what every Tumblr-poster keeps whining against? Man, you guys are complete cartoons, aren’t you?
I’d say this (a post I copied from somewhere, but I can’t find the source) as it sums up my arguments fairly well: “People often argue characters like Itachi or Tobirama made difficult choices, but it’s not true. They’re small-minded, lazy in thinking, and they took the easy way out. Massacring people isn’t difficult. What would’ve been difficult is navigating a myriad of social and moral issues like managing volatile historical inter-clan grudges, integration, pluralism, sharing of power, phasing out slavery and other inhumane practices, figuring out an economic model that doesn’t rely on making kids killers and weapons, and at the same time trying not to antagonize all the traditionalists and interests parties. These things are really difficult, much more difficult than killing people. It’d actually require political talent and leadership.”
Did Tobirama have these leadership qualities? If you say yes, then you’re being a deliberate fool, because we’re all well-aware that that’s not how you lead people in any socio-political and economic set-up, because that way lies disaster.
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